Caesar Luo, MD, FASRS, FACS: What might be the biggest disrupter to our clinical flow is treatment for geographic atrophy and stem cell therapy/complement inhibition. Were at the cusp of geographic atrophy. That conversation is going to be big over the next 6 months to a year. Theres going to be a flood of conversations with payers and managed care and utilization. It is going to be a completely new ball of wax. It will be interesting to hear what the other panelists think, but Im expecting a deluge of new conversations and tricky situations to navigate.

Veeral Sheth, MD, MBA, FACS, FASRS: Thats a great point. One other thing Ill bring up that might be a paradigm shifter is home imaging, like Home OCT [optical coherence tomography]. We havent talked about it. Weve been talking about therapeutics, but diagnostics are equally important. If that means patients can be at home and we can monitor them there because we have to open up space for these patients with geographic atrophy who are going to be coming in. Theres a whole bunch of puzzle pieces that are moving around. Where are they going to end up? Were still going to find out.

Caesar Luo, MD, FASRS, FACS: Thats a great point.

Jim Kenney, RPh, MBA: For our audience, could you describe what OCT is, Dr Sheth?

Veeral Sheth, MD, MBA, FACS, FASRS: OCT is how we scan the retina. Its a pretty quick test. Were able to tell a lot of information from thatin particular, what the anatomy of the macula looks like. Is there fluid? Is there macular degeneration? Is there diabetic retinopathy? As a baseline, thats important. But also as we start to treat that patient and take them through their treatment journey, were going to be able to assess: how well are we treating them? How effectively are we treating them? In all this prior discussion, patients still have fluid. How do we know they have fluid? Its not just the examination, but a lot of the time its the imaging that were doing. If were able to do that imaging remotely at this patients home and get reports, were going to be able to tell if a patient is going in the wrong direction, maybe sooner than we would have if were just bringing them in on a certain interval.

Caesar Luo, MD, FASRS, FACS: Thats a great point. Treatment burden should be broken down into treatmentthe number of times Im sticking that patient with the needleand visits, how many times theyre coming in. Dr Coney, most of us do this treatment and extend regimen, and its the best of both worlds. Youre getting fewer shots and theyre coming into the office less. As-needed dosing didnt work that well. For patients who did better on as-needed dosing, they still have to come in every month. For these sustained drug-delivery systems, like port-delivery systems or potentially gene therapy, are we going to feel comfortable seeing them every 3 months? Probably not without something like Home OCT available to say if there might be some early fluid thats building up.

Joseph Coney, MD, FASRS, FACS: With these alternatives and other modalities of testing with artificial intelligence and Home OCT, we may be revisiting as-needed dosing. This is the best of both worlds if we have some type of feedback, and maybe immediate feedback, that patients can give. If they can just use their iPhone with an app, for example, and get feedback, they could say, You know what? This is what I saw yesterday. This is what Im seeing today. This is a smiley face. This is a sad face. I need to go in and be seen. With this new technology, there may be ways where we revisit as-needed dosing to decrease the number of patient visits to maximize their therapy while increasing the durability of these agents.

Jim Kenney, RPh, MBA: The challenge from the health plan side is that theres a phrase they like to use: We dont pay for convenience. We need to be able to drive the message that its not just convenient when you have an extended-dosing interval or something like that. Theres sustained damage to the eye and vision when youre not treating and the patient isnt adherent to therapy. We have to get beyond that initial barrier because there have been a lot of drugs that are brought to market over the years that were strictly for convenience. You didnt get better clinical results, as long as the patient was adherent with therapy. Thats an avenue that were going to have to focus some attention on to convince payers to open up access a little more for these therapies, and not simply view them as a convenience option rather than a true clinical advantage.

Joseph Coney, MD, FASRS, FACS: Jim, if we learned 1 thing during COVID-19, its that decreasing the number of patients in our office was really effective. Going forward, because of the overwhelming number of patients well be seeingparticularly those with geographic atrophywe need to find better ways to limit individuals from coming to the hospital. This isnt just for patients. For the most part, our patients, at least older patients, need caregivers. Individuals are taking off time from work. Thats lost income and lost taxes. These are things that we may not see from a treatment standpoint, but theres also a burden to the family. When these patients are receiving injections, its not just 1 to 2 hours in the office; its half the day. If thats a working population, that individual isnt going back to work. We need to find better ways to limit the burden and to monitor them so they can have the better lifestyles that we all want for ourselves.

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